or are there policy measures we can take to make america america again? in his new book, "money, gold, history" lou lehrman asks what can be done to restore growth. what can be done? i want america to be america again. i don't believe this 2% growth stuff. i want 4, 5%. >> you know, 4% growth previously balanced the budget. >> absolutely. >> you and i -- >> absolutely. >> -- sit on the same seat. >> every increase in 1% in gdp above the baseline saves $3 trillion in deficit. >> it's a matter of choice. as it is with individuals, so it is with nations. we choose our future, our destiny. there are certain causes that we can't avoid or overcome but so as a nation. what we need is a program designed by someone who's very optimistic about america. i don't think the present administration is optimistic about america. i think that they have accepted the new normal being 2%. we need, if you will forgive me, a regime change. >> right. >> we need a very optimistic, pro growth administration. whether it's a democrat or republican administration, it has to be a chang